On Thursday, June 12, one week after Elon Musk bitterly split with President Trump on social media, The Gateway Pundit gained an exclusive interview with War Room Technology Editor, Joe Allen.
Allen, a world-leading technological philosopher, and the author of the bestselling 2023 book, Dark Aeon: Transhumanism and the War Against Humanity, spoke out strongly against Elon Musk’s transhumanist, technological ambitions, referring to Musk’s dismissal from the White House as a major victory for MAGA.
“The biggest threat that Musk posed was ideological. His influence through the Trump administration, in essence, normalized transhumanism – even if the word was never uttered,” Joe Allen told The Gateway Pundit exclusively.
“We were seemingly heading toward an era of Trumpian transhumanism – but the split between Musk and Trump now shows a real crack in the edifice that could easily, one day, become an inescapable technodrome.”
“And this was a very human split, which shows us that all these dreams of some unified, technological apparatus, controlling everyone and everything, remains threatened, internally, by human disagreement and ambition – and, in Musk’s case, human malice.”
“So, that is why I think the Trump-Musk split is good. On a psychological level, it puts some distance between the American public and a more cartoonish, comic book hero image of Musk.”
“And, it also shows that the concept of some unified cabal taking over everything, technologically, may not be the proper way to conceive of the future.”
“Maybe the proper way to conceive of the threat of technological control is not one system of technological control, but rather, many systems. With many systems, there leaves room for dissonance. And with dissonance, there remains the possibility of challenging power, and maintaining freedom,” Allen said.
Notably, Allen classified Musk as being somewhat of a political non-entity.
“Politically speaking, I don’t think the split between Musk and Trump is all that significant. Other than giving money, taking data inappropriately, and injecting artificial intelligence, here and there, Musk was never really a significant political figure. He was an ideological figure,” Allen said.
The Gateway Pundit asked Allen to envision an alternative reality wherein Musk’s government services had been retained by the White House for four more years.
“Musk had basically injected himself into American politics in a way that would allow his technological vision of the future to be realized. If you look at his portfolio, you can see the realization of his middle-of-the-road, transhumanist future,” Allen said.
“So, for Musk, it’s not that machines take over everything, and humans stay human, but that a hybridized form emerges from the next few decades, or the next century.”
“X AI is explicitly trying to create an artificial general intelligence – and then, possibly a superintelligence – that is maximally truth-seeking, which would mean that it would become ‘the ultimate source of truth.’”
“Neuralink is intended to give human beings some degree of relevance in the future of AI by linking human brains to AI, and allowing humans to function in this AI-dominated landscape as a human-AI symbiote – a hybrid; a cyborg.”
“Optimus is being built in order to create hordes of robot-slaves. Musk anticipates that, in the coming decades, the ratio of human to humanoid-robot will be about three robots to every one human – so, billions of robot-immigrants would cross the border from platonic possibility, into reality.”
“And then you have the bugman-mobiles: the fully autonomous Tesla leaves you basically at the mercy of robots to go anywhere, in physical form – the same way that Neuralink would keep you walled in with AI.”
“And, even though Musk hasn’t really talked about it in recent years, he has always maintained that gene therapies like MRNA, and possibly DNA gene therapies, will exist in the future. And, it’s pretty clear that his harem is squirting out babies according to explicitly eugenic protocols. So, that is a Musk future,” Allen said.
Allen asserted, in no uncertain terms, that Americans will be highly fortunate, so long as Musk’s transhumanist, technological ambitions remain relatively disentangled from the US government agenda – unless Musk’s rival tech titans gain power.
“It should be noted that there are many other tech companies that are also partnering with the US government. So, this is a huge constellation. If you knock Musk out, you still have all these other elements in play,” Allen said.
“I think that the explanation that Musk was upset about electric vehicle funding cuts is probably not accurate, and I think that his outrage at the “Big, Beautiful Bill” seems disingenuous. With his vast resources, he couldn’t have had someone comb that bill over? That makes no sense.”
“It’s possible that there’s some personal vendetta. But I think his outburst shows that – unless there is some carefully calculated showmanship – Musk is, like most of us, an impetuous animal.”
“Humans are very impetuous animals. And Musk, for all his transhumanist ambitions, is only human.”
“In general, I think that Musk saw Trump, and therefore MAGA America, as a vehicle for his ambitions. And when an obstacle was presented – as an impetuous animal – he freaked out,” Allen said.
Allen drew a stark contrast between Musk’s repeated attempts to bait President Trump with insults during his infamous social media freakout, and President Trump’s extreme self-control that he exercised in response.
“I think if Trump can exhibit that level of self-control on most things going forward, we will indeed make America great again,” Allen said.
Finally, The Gateway Pundit asked Allen to share his outlook regarding humanity’s technological future.
“It may well be true that technological progress towards a transhuman, or even post-human future, for some, is inevitable. But, it is absolutely not inevitable that you march in lockstep along with them,” Allen said.
“This future, or these futures, are going to come about in very messy, piecemeal ways, as we saw with Musk and DOGE.”
“And you have to constantly guard yourself – your mind, your family, your community, your culture – against this insane quest to create eugenically-bred cyborgs in space, or to create a vast digital panopticon, which watches your every move, and manipulates your every action, or, in their highest dream, to create Gods from Silicon – to manifest sand-Gods.”
“All of this is happening now. All of this seems to be headed toward a much greater crisis in the probably near-future. But, you do not have to submit to it.”
“The only escape will be one of constant defiance, and constant resistance.”
“We have faced much worse, as a species. Enough of us are going to make it,” Allen said.
